Advance Deploy

[Orthosofthecold]

Here is my question, when you have models that advance deploy, when exactly do they advance deploy. Because I always thought, and still do think that deployment goes like this.
player 1 deploys normally
player 2 deploys normally
player 1 advance deploys
player 2 advance deploys
Now I know kako disagrees with this so im gonna throw in a couple of links to back me up.
forums.privateerpress.com/index.php?showtopic=4788&hl=advance+deploy

forums.privateerpress.com/index.php?showtopic=14994&hl=advance+deploy

Now neither of these topics directly discuss this particular aspect of advance deploy but reading through them they both seem to enforce my viewpoint. So here is the question I pose, how exactly does advance deploy work and do you think i should post in jackhead to try and get an official ruling on this.

[Zexsudel]

see the way I have read it continue to is from Prime top of pg 30

Player then depoly their armies, starting with the first player. The first player may choose any table edge of the playing surface and deploy all his force up to 10" from that edge

though Primes depoly AD models after normal depolyment... I have always question what defines normal deployment. Your depolyment or the tables depolyments. I guess that the silly sounding question.

[PB_Zephyr]

Advance Deploy is meant to mean that the models "deploy advanced" Which is simply 12" further than the normal deployment zone. But WHEN is the question. The description of the rules goes like: "Place Trenchers after normal deployment..." Now I don't see why they would say "after" if you had to do it before your opponent deploys. If you had to deploy all at once they could have just simply said "Trenchers may be deployed up to 12" past the normal deployment zone." They put after in there for a reason I think.

[Orthosofthecold]

Yea thats how I always interprated (sp?) that line. I just wanted to see what others are saying.

[PG_Hevy Phyzx]

I read this somewhere in the forums too.

Orthos, your first post actually has it the way I believe Swami told the person with the question the way it was supposed to be done.

He explained "Normal Deployment" as the whole action of one force being deployed AND the opposing force being deployed. If one force's units had AD, then they get place once all "normal" forces (enemy and friendly) get deployed. If both forces have units with AD, then they do it like you wrote it.

The "After Normal Deployment" was a meant as a "Time" of deployment "After" all regular "normal" forces without AD got put on the table. This was to represent the "Scouting" ability of the AD forces in being in place without the knowledge of opposing forces. That means that your opponent has to put his forces down without knowledge of where your AD forces are, unless he/she too has AD units.

Does this help?

[Orthosofthecold]

Actually yes, that makes alot of sense. kinda like deep striking in 40k.

[Zexsudel]

reminds me more of inflitrating in 40k than deep striking...

[PG_Hevy Phyzx]

One more thing to add that kind of confirms Ortho's original post and the "confirmations" I have seen on the PP Forums. In Escalation on p. 224 (and p. 152 for that matter) under Prophetic Visions campaign rewards it reads,

In game in which Gorshade is used, the Cryx player sets up his models after all his opponents' models have been placed, inlcuding models with the Advance Deployment Ability.

I think that gives us a very good indication of "Timing" of deployment and what "Normal" deployment is and how "Advanced" Deployment would relate to "Normal" Deployment.

So, just to review:
Player 1 Deploys all her/his forces that have regular deployment status (all non-advanced deployment special ability units).
Player 2 Deploys "normally".
Player 1 Deploys any advanced deployment special ability units (i.e. Doomreavers, Trenchers, Eiryss)
Player 2 Deploys her/his advanced deployment units.
And so on. The better the reconaisance a unit has, the later it is deployed, like Prophetic Visions with Goreshade.

Edit: because I am still getting used to using HTML tags again.