I hate ATGMs

[PG_Hevy Phyzx]

OK, y'all know my favorite faction is Cygnar, but boy do I hate the ATGM's. I have used them in several situations lately and they just create a huge "vacuuming" sound when they try to do anything.

Their RAT isn't high enough to make them worthwhile, and if you "Arcane Inferno" them you can't use one of their special effects...BO-OH-GUS!

Now that new Gun Mage Adept (of which I picked up TWO because I am playing more 1000 point battles lately)...He DAH BOMB

When I come up in November, just slap me if I even think of fielding ATGM's with my force. Please...

[Zexsudel]

Well you could side board them hehe. I dont know, I have noticed they are cool if they live long enough to do anything. They tend to find skyhammer shots fairly well ;D. 15 DEF means nothing when i dont even hit anyways

[hewhoneversleeps]

It's all about the armor baby.
Hooray for trollkin with 15 ARM! Saves them from most blasts.
I see ATGMs as being a little expensive for my tastes by they do add a lot to a themed army and can be useful in a pinch. But as explained before, they can bite the dust real early.
And the Commander Adept is just kick ass. His ability to disregard stealth and cover and then add longshot you've got a pretty badass sniper.

[PG_Hevy Phyzx]

Ahh the Acane Tempest Gun Mages. Where to begin... Well first of all I love the fluff, and as I plan my army lists more around fluff than effectiveness (soft spot) I always like to take a bunch. I guess anouther reason would be that they're some of my best painted models and they're based too. It's nice to have squads of nice looking models. Ok enough asthetics. I find the ATGM to perform very well in the role or special ops. They don't really do that much damage (I only use detonator rounds if I'm shooting infantry or maybe bonejacks.) However, during the Incoming! senario, they certainly did their job, kept pushing Pete's 'jacks out of the shadow area heh. I realized later on that I could have coupled that tactic with Nemo's voltaic snare spell and he would have never gotten back in! Too bad I had already engaged my Lance by the time that plan popped into my mind. Thunderbolt is a good one in my book, it's very frusterating to watch your jack get pushed out of charge range. Also it's fun to shoot guys on bridges or high embankments and watch them squish when they fall off lol. And who can argue with shocker rounds, to be able to fry 2 cortexs with one unit, it's not only a good trick to have up your sleve, but probably psychs the opponent out too. Last but not least, Arcane Inferno. I've used that attack to completey destroy a min zealot squad, completely heh. And also the ability to fire a combined shot (RAT 13) into melee (reduced to RAT 9) with a pow of 14 is not shabby at all. Maybe you just happened to roll poorly with them, because they work for me. Oh and I know they're squishy, maybe have a JMWC give 'em some arcane shield lovin'.

Ok I think I've said all I can say about that 90pt squad.

P.S. Thay have swords!!

PB_Zephyr wrote that in another thread y'all can't get to, but I wanted to share it here as a defense of the ATGMs.

OK, so they have a pretty good DEF and ARM for what would seem to be a pretty squishy unit. I still don't like their RAT. A "5"? Gimme a break. About all they hit is Khador! For Menoth 'Jacks that means the ATGMs need at least 7s or better. Against Cryx Jacks they need 9s or 10s! Too hard to get most of the time. I need to shoot the whole unit at one target in order to get a hit on it if it is Cryx. I can shoot two Menoth or [Marrow forbid] Cygnar jacks. I want to be able to take on at least three targets with that unit!

Longgunners...with a full unit and they havent' moved...four targets. With a RAT of 5 and firing 5 of them (CRA) at a target, that means they get +5 on the To Hit (essentially an RAT of 10) and have essentially a POW 15 when they hit (POW 10 for the Rifle then +5 for the CRA). So for 14 more points, I get more hits and more damage.

Sure, it might be nice to have the "push" effect or "shocker", but you still have to hit, and sometimes you need the critical for the really good effect to take place!

Nah, give me Longgunners and the GMCA (Gun Mage Captain Adept). Yep, Longgunner certainly are more squishy, but they still pack more of a wallop than the ATGMs in my book.